Comments on: Principles and Value Judgments – The Zero Aggression “Principle” (Issue 212) http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/ Eight Decades of Free Thinking Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:32:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: Yosh http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-5467 Yosh Mon, 05 Sep 2011 03:53:56 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-5467 <strong>Best Links 2011...</strong> Thanks for another wonderful post. Where else could anyone get that kind of info in such a perfect way of writing? I have a presentation next week, and I am on the look for such information.... Best Links 2011…

Thanks for another wonderful post. Where else could anyone get that kind of info in such a perfect way of writing? I have a presentation next week, and I am on the look for such information….

]]> By: Boris Sciancalepore http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-2722 Boris Sciancalepore Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:48:01 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-2722 I’d have to play ball with you on this. Which is not something I typically do! I enjoy reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to speak my mind! I’d have to play ball with you on this. Which is not something I typically do! I enjoy reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to speak my mind!

]]> By: Chrisg288 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1222 Chrisg288 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:39 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1222 Dear Anne, I've been reading more of your extremely lucid writing, and continue to be impressed. but back to the topic... When I get feeling down sometimes.. I will meditate and evaluate many things in order to get back on track. It amazes me to have glimpses into my value system. Like you, I have spent time trying to identify what is important in life. (I guess thats why your writings resonate so much with me) I have even tried to develop a formula for Value.(see here. http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/315911/Re-After-the-Money-s-Gone) I also would get deeply lost if not for my spiritual connectedness. It amazes me that we can even feel a sense of ownership over body functions, and yet disgusted at others um outputs. It shows me that all value is created by humans, and the value that a person places on 'their' stuff (or that which they desire) has the power of veto over the entire list, regardless of other relative evaluations. (I'm probably not making sense) Thank you, Chris Dear Anne,
I’ve been reading more of your extremely lucid writing, and continue to be impressed. but back to the topic… When I get feeling down sometimes.. I will meditate and evaluate many things in order to get back on track. It amazes me to have glimpses into my value system. Like you, I have spent time trying to identify what is important in life. (I guess thats why your writings resonate so much with me) I have even tried to develop a formula for Value.(see here. http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/315911/Re-After-the-Money-s-Gone) I also would get deeply lost if not for my spiritual connectedness.

It amazes me that we can even feel a sense of ownership over body functions, and yet disgusted at others um outputs. It shows me that all value is created by humans, and the value that a person places on ‘their’ stuff (or that which they desire) has the power of veto over the entire list, regardless of other relative evaluations. (I’m probably not making sense)
Thank you,
Chris

]]> By: Anne Cleveland http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1214 Anne Cleveland Wed, 27 May 2009 21:36:10 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1214 Hi Chris, Thank you for those kind words. I did not invent the principle of ownership,but from the stand-point of observation, practicallity, and experience accept the validity of it. If any one has the audacity to doubt the veracity, one only has to observe a child in relation to its toys. That pride of and desire to control that which one owns is expressed in the actions of little children. Their honesty of purpose in the way they deal with that they presume to own. I!m very much opposed to parents making theirchildren feel guilty for , "not sharing".I taught my children if it belonged to them they could do as they chose with it. Discovered by not forcing nor placing guilt, they voluntarily exhibited generosity. That pride of ownership is an important facet of our lives. Thank you for reading my articles and taking the time to comment Kindly Anne Cleveland Chief Editor Hi Chris,

Thank you for those kind words. I did not invent the principle of ownership,but from the stand-point of observation, practicallity, and experience accept the validity of it.
If any one has the audacity to doubt the veracity, one only has to observe a child in relation to its toys. That pride of and desire to control that which one owns is expressed in the actions of little children. Their honesty of purpose in the way they deal with that they presume to own.
I!m very much opposed to parents making theirchildren feel guilty for , “not sharing”.I taught my children if it belonged to them they could do as they chose with it. Discovered by not forcing nor placing guilt, they voluntarily exhibited generosity.
That pride of ownership is an important facet of our lives.

Thank you for reading my articles and taking the time to comment
Kindly
Anne Cleveland
Chief Editor

]]> By: Chrisg288 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1213 Chrisg288 Wed, 27 May 2009 18:24:49 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1213 Dear Anne, I think what you have written here is the best thing I've read in a very long time. The principle of ownership extends far beyond physical objects. The confidence that a person feels in their knowledge is dependent on the feeling of ownership of that knowledge, especially when it comes to practical application of that knowledge. Therefore, this principle is at the core of education, learning and belief systems, and subsequently the indoctrination of alternative idea programs... such as the Taliban teaching boys to be suicide bombers. Chris Dear Anne,

I think what you have written here is the best thing I’ve read in a very long time. The principle of ownership extends far beyond physical objects. The confidence that a person feels in their knowledge is dependent on the feeling of ownership of that knowledge, especially when it comes to practical application of that knowledge. Therefore, this principle is at the core of education, learning and belief systems, and subsequently the indoctrination of alternative idea programs… such as the Taliban teaching boys to be suicide bombers.

Chris

]]> By: Anne Cleveland http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1168 Anne Cleveland Tue, 19 May 2009 16:54:17 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1168 Hi Libby, Thank you for reading my articles and your comments and questions. Who defines the boundaries, you ask. You set the boundaries for your life and property. You decide if there is a tresspass. Further you ask why I view ownership of property as a principle? I have written a number of other articles on the subject. If you care to check them out, the answer is probably there. I plan on writing another article on the subject shortly, which may provide some enlightment. Thank you for your interest annecleveland Chief Editor Hi Libby,
Thank you for reading my articles and your comments and questions. Who defines the boundaries, you ask. You set the boundaries for your life and property. You decide if there is a tresspass.
Further you ask why I view ownership of property as a principle? I have written a number of other articles on the subject. If you care to check them out, the answer is probably there. I plan on writing another article on the subject shortly, which may provide some enlightment.
Thank you for your interest

annecleveland
Chief Editor

]]> By: Libby Snipp http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1162 Libby Snipp Mon, 18 May 2009 00:10:40 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1162 Thanks for another great post, Anne. I assume the non-aggression principle is the same as the zero-aggression principle, and I understand why you believe that is more of a value judgment than a principle... I also understand why you believe physical "laws" like gravity are a principle. But who defines the boundaries you describe above, and why do you view ownership of property as a principle? Hear, Hear: Let Freedom Ring! Libby Thanks for another great post, Anne.

I assume the non-aggression principle is the same as the zero-aggression principle, and I understand why you believe that is more of a value judgment than a principle… I also understand why you believe physical “laws” like gravity are a principle.

But who defines the boundaries you describe above, and why do you view ownership of property as a principle?

Hear, Hear: Let Freedom Ring!
Libby

]]> By: Kent McManigal http://www.octogenariansblog.com/principles-and-value-judgements-the-zero-aggression-principle-issue-212/comment-page-1/#comment-1155 Kent McManigal Fri, 15 May 2009 02:46:57 +0000 http://www.octogenariansblog.com/?p=941#comment-1155 I'll stay out of this one for now, and just observe the debate. I’ll stay out of this one for now, and just observe the debate.

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